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the deficit of about $1 trillion that is for fiscal 2013. that assumes that somehow the fiscal cliff doesn't happen and we don't reduce the deficit by $600 billion. national debt, about $16 billion , debt held by the public -- as a percentage it is getting up there. we've had it before. as we talked about two weeks ago it is not so much that the size of the debt it is how fast the debt is growing in comparison to the size of the economy. you don't want to pay off the debt but you want it to fall. host: how did we get to this point? why is the government spending so much and under this president, we've seen the debt go up $1 trillion each year over the last four years. where is it going? guest: there are two main ways to look at it. right now, we're still coming out of this economic crisis. so you have large debts for four years mainly because you have low revenues as people don't have jobs or they are getting paid less. then there has been extra spending programs over the last four years but also, we have this mandatory spending programs tha
the deficit of about $1 trillion that is for fiscal 2013. that assumes that somehow the fiscal cliff doesn't happen and we don't reduce the deficit by $600 billion. national debt, about $16 billion , debt held by the public -- as a percentage it is getting up there. we've had it before. as we talked about two weeks ago it is not so much that the size of the debt it is how fast the debt is growing in comparison to the size of the economy. you don't want to pay off the debt but you want it to...
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they want them to carry the burden of reducing the deficit and refuse to ask higher income individuals to pitch in to fully share responsibility. and that is exactly what is happening. it is important to know that republicans are now demanding that the wealthiest of the very wealthiest estates in this country get a sweetheart deal on estate taxes which would help 7,200 families in the country next year get an average tax break of $1.2 million. and they are holding up tax relief for everybody else in the country in order to get this demand met for the very wealthiest estates. this isn't even the top 1%. this is a fraction of 1%. while they want to give those folks a big break they want folks on social security to pay more. and so this is a major setback. it is interesting to hear mitch mcconnell talking about his good faith efforts. he knows that he just threw a monkey wrench into the negotiations y. think he is also doing it to protect speaker boehner and the republicans and the house because he doesn't want to send them a deal that he knows they are going to vote down. >> let's talk a
they want them to carry the burden of reducing the deficit and refuse to ask higher income individuals to pitch in to fully share responsibility. and that is exactly what is happening. it is important to know that republicans are now demanding that the wealthiest of the very wealthiest estates in this country get a sweetheart deal on estate taxes which would help 7,200 families in the country next year get an average tax break of $1.2 million. and they are holding up tax relief for everybody...
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who should pick up the burden for deficit reduction? working people who have seen their wages go down or the top 2% who have done phenomenally well, while their effective tax rate, as mitt romney reminded us by not releasing his tax returns, is extremely low. so to my mind, what this deficit reduction debate is about is asking the wealthiest people, the large corporations to help us with deficit reduction and give a break for a change to the middle class and working families. >> as you say, one that would mean less money for seniors with the social security adjustment is off the table, are you more optimistic about getting a deal done. >> we still have a long way to go. >> what do you see as the major sticking point? >> one of the sticking pointing, what the republicans want to do is continue the 2010 agreement on lower estate tax rates, which means, chris, $120 billion tax break over a ten-year period for the top 0.2 of 1%. they get $120 billion tax break. and people come forward and say we're very serious about deficit reduction. thir
who should pick up the burden for deficit reduction? working people who have seen their wages go down or the top 2% who have done phenomenally well, while their effective tax rate, as mitt romney reminded us by not releasing his tax returns, is extremely low. so to my mind, what this deficit reduction debate is about is asking the wealthiest people, the large corporations to help us with deficit reduction and give a break for a change to the middle class and working families. >> as you...
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a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough. obviously, what happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because they had come forward with a counter offer to what republicans said last night. hopefully the discussions between the vice-president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track and we will have a breakthrough and something we can vote on today or tomorrow to avert what we all believe would be an economic disaster. >> harry reid is as if you cannot come up with something by tonight that he will push a scaled-down version of what the president asked for, the tax cu
a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough....
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes, we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> senator, senator mcconnell has spoken a couple times with the vpz. we have seen in the past that the two of them have been able to come up with bipartisan deals to get through congress on taxes and other things. did he give you an indication in the meeting you just had with rank and file republicans that might be an avenue of success? >> there -- those conversations and discussions continue. and we remain hopeful that that will get a breakthrough. on veryiously, what had happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. so hopefully, the discussions between the vice president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track, hopefully get a breakthrough and something we can vote on, hopefully today or tomorrow that will avert what we believe will be an economic di
it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes, we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> senator, senator mcconnell has spoken a couple times with the vpz. we have seen in the past that the two of them have been able to come up with bipartisan deals to get through congress on taxes and other things. did he give you an indication in the meeting you just had with rank and file republicans...
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we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we're still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth and how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. keep in mind that some of these spending cuts that congress has said will automatically go into effect have an impact on our defense department, but they also have an impact on things like head start and so there are some programs that are scheduled to be cut that we're using an ax instead ax instead of a scalpel. may not always be the smartest cuts and so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of. and i want to make clear that any agreement we have to deal with these automatic spending cuts that are b
we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we're still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth and how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are...
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we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we've got a lot of work to do. >> we do have a lot of work to do all i ask is we get the work down. stephen moore, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll be talking a lot in 2013. >>> coming up, the great tax debate that stephen was just talking about. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer after this. >>> the biggest issue in all the fiscal cliff wrangling is taxes. it's not the most important issue, but it's the central one. grover norquist told you his strong opposition to any tax increases of any sort. many republicans share his view. let's look at the economy. obviously across the board tax increases would hurt the economy. but what will the real economic reaction be to small tax increases on the wealthiest americans? now, annie lowrie of the "new york times" is still with us. i always have to make sure my viewers understand i am not advocating for tax increases on the rich. i want to explain what could happen. i want to bring in jean za
we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we've got a lot of work to do. >> we do have a lot of work to do all i ask is we get the work down. stephen moore, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll be talking a lot in 2013. >>> coming up, the great tax debate that stephen was just talking about. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer after this. >>> the biggest issue in all the fiscal cliff wrangling is taxes. it's not the most...
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look k at this to see exactly how much it is going to cost but as it is known with the impact of the deficit going to be, senator joe lieberman said a short while ago they will try to vote on this thing at some point this evening as we get closer, adam, less than an hour to go in the year 2012 there is no way this clears the senate and the house before the end of the new year. if the senate passes this tonight or sometime in the early morning hours the house will hol begin considering it tomorrow. there's no real outlook so far as to whether or not this is actually going to pass the house, too early to tell. they are basically saying the senate goes first and then the house. adam: have the senator from ohio saying he will vote for this. we have the senator from iowa, tom harkin, very liberal saying he will vote against it. we have to believe leadership in the senate believes it will pass in the senate tonight. the question then becomes both democrats and the house and republicans in the house, right? >> that is right. this will be an appeal from both leaders in both parties on the house side
look k at this to see exactly how much it is going to cost but as it is known with the impact of the deficit going to be, senator joe lieberman said a short while ago they will try to vote on this thing at some point this evening as we get closer, adam, less than an hour to go in the year 2012 there is no way this clears the senate and the house before the end of the new year. if the senate passes this tonight or sometime in the early morning hours the house will hol begin considering it...
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this started out as a discussion about cutting the debt, cutting the deficit and now what's going to happen is th smallest plans on the table are going to-- are not really going to cut the deficit in the long run and don't have major spending cuts and i noticed at one point when he was asked about the sequester, not just the tax side, but the automatic spending cuts about to kick in. he said if we raise revenue by the wealthy paying more, that would be sufficient to turn off this request or what's called the automatic spending cuts and that's what republicans have been suggesting if he raises more revenue raising taxes on the rich, he's not going to put it towards the deficit, but the president kind of suggested that today. >> and a question from the beginning and it's your segment, go ahead. >> i've been on the show for ten seconds, by first time on the "the five", you've interrupted me and contradicted me. >> there will be plenty more time for that, and welcome to "the five", and bob beckel. >> can i ask my question of ed. because ed, you mentioned that i had experience in dealing
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that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. with this congress, that was obviously a little bit too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. >> there are a number of issues on which the two sides are still apart but negotiations are continuing as i speak. but we really are running out of time. >> the vice president and i have worked together on solutions before and i believe we can again. >> no holiday for the best political team around. a triple threat, luke russert and mike viqueira on the capitol hill and kristen welker from the white house. are you happy to be working on the holiday? >> it's fantastic. >> absolutely. >> sounded believable. viq, let's start with you. we have news trickling out today. working, trying to make a deal. what's going on? >> it's washington, d.c. nothing is as it appears. we6 classic kabuki theater going on here, toree. the president, jovial, said they were close to a deal. that joe biden, the negotiations with mitch mcconnell essentially borne fruit. republicans annoyed wit
that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. with this congress, that was obviously a little bit too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. >> there are a number of issues on which the two sides are still apart but negotiations are continuing as i speak. but we really are running out of time. >> the vice president and i have worked together on solutions before and i believe we can again. >> no holiday for the best political team...
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we need to reduce the deficit. we know we need to reduce spending. any deal in the future that is the rest of this deal and brings it to completion is going to need to have both revenue and spending cuts and we're going to need to make sure that we add entitlement savings. we have that opportunity. the republicans just need to continue to get more of their members to agree to say yes. >> all right. congresswoman debby wassermann schultz, thanks so much for your time. >> thank you, mara. >> so who won, who lost? who compromised and who held firm? where does this leave embattled house speaker john boehner? reed wilson is editor-in-chief for national journal's hotline. thank you both for being here today. ryan, let's talk about what we'll see in the house. do you expect a full scale revolt from conservative members who vowed to vote against any tax increase? >> well, i don't know. we'll find out early this afternoon. what i'm hearing is that the conservative members have three major problems with the bill that came over from the senate. one is that ther
we need to reduce the deficit. we know we need to reduce spending. any deal in the future that is the rest of this deal and brings it to completion is going to need to have both revenue and spending cuts and we're going to need to make sure that we add entitlement savings. we have that opportunity. the republicans just need to continue to get more of their members to agree to say yes. >> all right. congresswoman debby wassermann schultz, thanks so much for your time. >> thank you,...
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at the moment we will have a fairly modest amount of deficit reduction. maybe even none at all. mixed with a fairly bad economic impact from the fiscal cliff. kicking some of the sequester down the road would be a good idea but it's the same disagreements keeping us from doing that that has kept us from getting a bigger deal. >> where we are right now and what we know about this, sam, is it clear whether one side gave more than the other? >> you know, it's just the first chapter of a several-chapter book here because now we're going to have to deal with the debt ceiling fight and republicans have been calculating that they want to extract some concessions from the white house on that. that can't be considered separate from what we're talking about today. of course, we have to do the sequestration and what will happen with those cuts. so it's too early to tell who wins, who loses. i'll add to ezra, the big losers i guess are us, and me in particular standing out here in the cold on new year's eve over a manufactured crisis. >> there are a lot of us who did not expect to be here a
at the moment we will have a fairly modest amount of deficit reduction. maybe even none at all. mixed with a fairly bad economic impact from the fiscal cliff. kicking some of the sequester down the road would be a good idea but it's the same disagreements keeping us from doing that that has kept us from getting a bigger deal. >> where we are right now and what we know about this, sam, is it clear whether one side gave more than the other? >> you know, it's just the first chapter of...
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and it immediately moved to deficit reduction and how to do it. and that was a very fundamental, important shift in the conversation. >> we have to go, but -- we have to go, but i heard that after the show, sam stein will be on twiner. you can be there, too. >> we can get together. >> we have another important item, though, which is the biggest hurdle arguably to president obama's second term agenda. that's something you're probably never going to hear about, literally. people think of the filibuster as a talk athon to stop action in the senate. but nowadays it has been attacked with a constant extreme of silent filibusters. up next, the talking filibuster ahead live. >>> time for the your business preer oes weeks. amber and mark started north carolina's based footsteps clothing which had a booming christmas themed pajama liven. not wanting to be jump a seasonal line of christmas, they added other opportunities. for more, watch "your business." sunday morning at 7:30 a.m. everyone loves surprise parties. yeah, so last week we had a surprise party
and it immediately moved to deficit reduction and how to do it. and that was a very fundamental, important shift in the conversation. >> we have to go, but -- we have to go, but i heard that after the show, sam stein will be on twiner. you can be there, too. >> we can get together. >> we have another important item, though, which is the biggest hurdle arguably to president obama's second term agenda. that's something you're probably never going to hear about, literally. people...
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maybe there's a chance to get our deficit and debt in line. the downside, we're going to be playing with fire again walking right up by the edge of the cliff. >> the tax rate and how much you tax, that was actually never really a grand bargain kind of discussion. that was oh, guys, you say 3, we say 4, whatever. the real challenge is all of the low hanging fruit for cutting spending is gone. you know, mitt romney talked about big bird and pbs during the debate and people laughed. it wasn't that laughable. it's one of the bigger things left you can cut. you can cut amtrak. there aren't a lot of things that are billions of dollars in the budget you can cut. you need to cut things that hurt, that people care about. >> the deal with the sequester cuts was half out of defense, half out of discretionary spending. that's where entitlement reform stands. there are ways to cut what the president calls accurately bending the long term cost curve. you're not cutting costs in a way that can reduce economic growth immediately, but you reduce the long term
maybe there's a chance to get our deficit and debt in line. the downside, we're going to be playing with fire again walking right up by the edge of the cliff. >> the tax rate and how much you tax, that was actually never really a grand bargain kind of discussion. that was oh, guys, you say 3, we say 4, whatever. the real challenge is all of the low hanging fruit for cutting spending is gone. you know, mitt romney talked about big bird and pbs during the debate and people laughed. it...
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that has to be part of the discussion down the road, whether it's with respect to deficit in a few month or sequestration or other things, the department of service is another thing. a lot of neocon friends on the right think it's psycho. but the reality, everything has to be on the table if we're honest with the american people about getting our fiscal house in order. they need to know the american people, exactly what the costs are, the consequences are, the priorities are quite frankly, milissa. we need to find a balance between guns and brothers or will we live in an absolutist world where you can't have one without the other? i think that will be part of the sequestration as well. >> the heritage foundation came out and said -- basically gave it a huge thumbs down. how does this affect republicans who vote for it? is that something they carry with them in deciding this? >> i think it will be. i think with the change occurring with leadership and the fact that they are talking about scoring members, republican members on how they vote on matters going forward, yeah, i think some will
that has to be part of the discussion down the road, whether it's with respect to deficit in a few month or sequestration or other things, the department of service is another thing. a lot of neocon friends on the right think it's psycho. but the reality, everything has to be on the table if we're honest with the american people about getting our fiscal house in order. they need to know the american people, exactly what the costs are, the consequences are, the priorities are quite frankly,...
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a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough. obviously, what happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because they had come forward with a counter offer to what republicans said last night. hopefully the discussions between the vice-president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track and we will have a breakthrough and something we can vote on today or tomorrow to avert what we all believe would be an economic disaster. >> harry reid is as if you cannot come up with something by tonight that he will push a scaled-down version of what the president asked for, the tax cu
a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough....
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are you going to pay down the deficit? if you are going to use it for more government spending we don't want a part of it. senator mcconnell on the republican side seemed to get frustrated because he felt like the democrats were slow walking the th, 18 hours without a response. mcconnell made a call to a well known senator, joe biden to see if he could help. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. no single issue remains an impossible sticking point. a sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the courage to close the deal. >> reporter: as senate aide says it was designed to try to jumpstart the talks and consequences of getting a tax increase is a huge concern. >> gregg: what went awry in these talks? >> you heard senator thune. a fiscal cliff deal is a new way calculating inflation that would lower social security payments. democrats say they would do it as part of much bigger deal but it was off the table for the smaller deal they are working on. so democrats called it a poison pill. >>
are you going to pay down the deficit? if you are going to use it for more government spending we don't want a part of it. senator mcconnell on the republican side seemed to get frustrated because he felt like the democrats were slow walking the th, 18 hours without a response. mcconnell made a call to a well known senator, joe biden to see if he could help. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. no single issue remains an impossible sticking point. a sticking point appears to be...
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as a former governor, we don't operate with big deficits. you can't do that and we're in trouble in this country financially. the long term and in the short term, yes, we'll have a recession. it won't be a bad one but it will be one and nobody wants a recession. in the long term i think wall street goes crazy and you will see 15,000, 17,000 in the dow because finally somebody has done something serious about the deficit. i don't believe they will if they come to an agreement. >> you know, governor rendell, i want to know if you agree with governor dean. part of the message, one of the things that strikes me, the message for so long has been we can't go over the cliff, we can't go over the cliff. here are all the things that will happen to individual americans if we go over the cliff. there's a lot of anxiety out there. we've been hearing about that, we've seen the markets up and down. to some degree, i understand the political arguments but in terms of the argument of the stability of the country and our economy, do you agree with governor d
as a former governor, we don't operate with big deficits. you can't do that and we're in trouble in this country financially. the long term and in the short term, yes, we'll have a recession. it won't be a bad one but it will be one and nobody wants a recession. in the long term i think wall street goes crazy and you will see 15,000, 17,000 in the dow because finally somebody has done something serious about the deficit. i don't believe they will if they come to an agreement. >> you know,...
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we have a $1.3 trillion deficit for 2012. it will be about a trillion for 2013. we're borrowing 35 cents on the dollar. the enormous problem is interest rates are way below normal, so when they spike, which they inevitably will, and the government is borrowing very short term to keep its costs down, the deficit is going to swamp the economy. and at that point you're going to have the debt crisis, and you're going to need a whole new stream of revenues. the only thing that paul krugman and paul ryan agree on, in a crisis situation, only a value-added tax will solve this problem. by raising marginal tax rates to get us out of this potential crisis. so we need very, very steep spending cuts, all of the emphasis and debate has been over marginal tax rates which are really a minor part of the solution, no matter what political strife you happen to be. you have to realize that tremendous spending cuts are necessary and already the -- any changes to social security have been ruled out in a short-term solution and it's going to be very difficult, congressman from oklahom
we have a $1.3 trillion deficit for 2012. it will be about a trillion for 2013. we're borrowing 35 cents on the dollar. the enormous problem is interest rates are way below normal, so when they spike, which they inevitably will, and the government is borrowing very short term to keep its costs down, the deficit is going to swamp the economy. and at that point you're going to have the debt crisis, and you're going to need a whole new stream of revenues. the only thing that paul krugman and paul...
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when they took the 2 percent out of social security we were funding the program through deficit spending. you probably shouldn't be continuing this temporary program for another year when social security has plenty of fiscal challenge of its own. >> you sport that move to let that lapse? >> i think it's a good policy to let the tax holiday expire. >> the tax stays for 400 for individuals 450 for households. it goes 20 percent above that threshold. there are people who say eerie time we raise that capitol gains tax total revenues for capitol gains go down because people cut back investments which hurts the entire economy. what say you? >> this is about the art of compromise. when congress waits until the last minute to address a bill here we are january 1st and they are addressing a bill that expired last night. >> you mentioned the debt kreeging we hit it yesterday. we had security measures in effect. that will put it off for two months. but then we will be right back here at the bargaining table. our credit rating dropped the last time we had this debt ceiling debate. is the >> no quest
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doesn't contribute to the deficit. and we're talking about the deficit. why should social security be discussed in that context? >> completely off the table? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that was the -- and that was our position during the campaign. social security has nothing to do with the deficit. does not contribute to it. walled off from it. its own trust fund with $2.7 trillion in it at the moment. and the american people by huge majorities say we shouldn't be cutting social security or for that matter medicare benefits. you can cut medicare in ways you don't cut benefits and the hypocrisy of republicans that said that democrats are terrible because they took $716 billion from medicare for obama care and what do we want to do? pocket the cuts and add more. our chief demand is entitlement cuts. medicare and social security. >> talk about the debt ceiling and where this is played in to this conversation. that is coming up in february or supposed to come up in february. john boehner made the offer to take it off the table for a year but i want to sho
doesn't contribute to the deficit. and we're talking about the deficit. why should social security be discussed in that context? >> completely off the table? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that was the -- and that was our position during the campaign. social security has nothing to do with the deficit. does not contribute to it. walled off from it. its own trust fund with $2.7 trillion in it at the moment. and the american people by huge majorities say we shouldn't be cutting social...
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if republicans think i will finish the job of deficit reduction, that's not how it's going to work. in the responsible way. they will reiterate that. it has to be balanced. >> there's a lot of criticism for how the president has been handling this in the last two days some republicans are ridiculing republicans and suggesting that was not conducive to negotiations. can you understand why people feel that way? >> i don't understand that. i think they are wrong. the president laid down the marker and indicated what was in it this bill. he also indicated what's ahead e. and he acknowledged that we have work to do ahead. it has to be done in a balanced and responsible way. there will be to be additional measures. i think that's important. we think the president will lead to think he's spiking the football when he's trying to get everything moving. i think that's a mistake for the republicans to say that. >> i'm not going to suggest that you know what the other 434 members of your house is going to do. never until the vote is done. vice president biden just said that yesterday. but i wan
if republicans think i will finish the job of deficit reduction, that's not how it's going to work. in the responsible way. they will reiterate that. it has to be balanced. >> there's a lot of criticism for how the president has been handling this in the last two days some republicans are ridiculing republicans and suggesting that was not conducive to negotiations. can you understand why people feel that way? >> i don't understand that. i think they are wrong. the president laid...
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these tax increases for the rich or not, as you know, you've said, we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we have a lot of work to do. >> we do. all i ask is that we get the work done. steven moore, always a pleasure. thank you. we'll talk to you a lot in 2013. >>> up next, the great tax debate that steven was just talking act. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer. s. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. >>> the biggest issue is tax increases. many republicans s
these tax increases for the rich or not, as you know, you've said, we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we have a lot of work to do. >> we do. all i ask is that we get the work done. steven moore, always a pleasure. thank you. we'll talk to you a lot in 2013. >>> up next, the great tax debate that steven was just talking act. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer. s. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here....
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the deficit and the debt and that is happening today to put a patch on not going over the cliff. there has to be new revenues and some entitlement reform, and cpi is the most painless way to do it. and the president offered it in a deal as recently as a week or two ago, and spending cuts, but right now, it is not a grand bargain, because we have the debt ceiling hanging out in two months. this is an attempt to avoid political pain and going over the cliff and we can't get an agreement on a patch with less than 36 hours to go. >> and don, this is the problem, something is the going to hurt. we can't get out with no pain, and we have all sorts of things and nobody wants to pay for it, don. >> you two are fired up, too. and the people at home are too, right. >> and 516 days since we knew that the deadline would come. >> and right at the deadline, and they are going home. >> right. and we are not. >> we are not. we will be here until who knows. okay. a stalemate or breakthrough? with hours to go, lawmakers are searching for a compromise. what are the chances of reaching a deal in was
the deficit and the debt and that is happening today to put a patch on not going over the cliff. there has to be new revenues and some entitlement reform, and cpi is the most painless way to do it. and the president offered it in a deal as recently as a week or two ago, and spending cuts, but right now, it is not a grand bargain, because we have the debt ceiling hanging out in two months. this is an attempt to avoid political pain and going over the cliff and we can't get an agreement on a...
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especially after the congressional budget office said legislation that was supposed to help cut the deficit will now add $3.6 trillion to the national debt over the next ten years. the architect of the senate deal minority leader mitch mcconnell notes it lacks in tax cut for large portion of the public. rattling it now would likely hand the blame to the republicans. >> i can speak to the entire conference when i say we don't think taxes should be going up on anyone. but we all knew if we did nothing they would be going up on everyone today. we weren't going to let that happen. >> aide to the president incyst he was ready to agree to $1.2 trillion in spending cuts. in exchange for equal amount of tax increases during talks with speaker john boehner. yet, the republican walked away and got most of the tax hikes with virtually no spending cuts in what may be the first shot of the 2016 republican presidential primary, marco rubio became one of eight senators to oppose the deal. and tweeted, "how can barack obama call the proposal a debt reduction pack knowledge it uses tax increase to fund more
especially after the congressional budget office said legislation that was supposed to help cut the deficit will now add $3.6 trillion to the national debt over the next ten years. the architect of the senate deal minority leader mitch mcconnell notes it lacks in tax cut for large portion of the public. rattling it now would likely hand the blame to the republicans. >> i can speak to the entire conference when i say we don't think taxes should be going up on anyone. but we all knew if we...
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got a debt and deficit issue, debt-to-gdp issue way too high, approaching european levels, and we've got to solve it. >> such a pity that is it has to go down to the weather. >> my pleasure. >> the market is senting a happy new year. but now it's down just 16 points. >> feels like we're on thin as i aid with some so are you pouring your money into seconds sis no way. outdorg kay bailey hutchison is with us. kwoind out if she thinks there's room for a deal after the house reconvenes on sunday. stay tuned. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. >>> and there's your green, the doug, s&p and even the s&p are now all slightly in the green now. what happened here as, of course, the dow was down earlier today by nearly 150 points
got a debt and deficit issue, debt-to-gdp issue way too high, approaching european levels, and we've got to solve it. >> such a pity that is it has to go down to the weather. >> my pleasure. >> the market is senting a happy new year. but now it's down just 16 points. >> feels like we're on thin as i aid with some so are you pouring your money into seconds sis no way. outdorg kay bailey hutchison is with us. kwoind out if she thinks there's room for a deal after the house...
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republicans would like to see more deficit reduction. so, they're saying if there are new taxes, spend it down on the deficit, don't use it for spending. chris? >> now, kelly, one other quick question. you've been up there probably for the last 96 hours, maybe more straight. what's the mood? i know we've got this report that mcconnell and joe biden worked late into the evening and that there seems to be a little bit more positivity than maybe when people like me went to bed last night, a little early. so, is the mood moving in the direction of a deal? is that what -- because it seemed like pessimism sort of toward the late afternoon yesterday. where are we right now, quickly? >> reporter: it does fluctuate. there is exasperation and frustration, especially from members here waiting to vote on something but have nothing to look at. they are wanting to see something done. the people closest to it tell us they are still working at it, that they see there isn't one particular issue that would make this all fall apart, but they're not there y
republicans would like to see more deficit reduction. so, they're saying if there are new taxes, spend it down on the deficit, don't use it for spending. chris? >> now, kelly, one other quick question. you've been up there probably for the last 96 hours, maybe more straight. what's the mood? i know we've got this report that mcconnell and joe biden worked late into the evening and that there seems to be a little bit more positivity than maybe when people like me went to bed last night, a...
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number one they don't like the extension of unemployment benefits and think that adds to the deficit. they don't think there are enough spending cuts. they also don't like the extension of the middle class tax cuts that were the president's stimulus package. also some liberals don't like the bill because they feel it gives, takes away their leverage to argue for more taxes in the future in terms of deficit deals and the rest of them would only come by cuts. so what you're going to see is at noon, nancy pelosi is going to talk to the house democratic caucus. there have been some rumors that joe biden could come up here on new year's day to sell the plan, very much like he did to the senate ds earlier this morning. you'll also see john boehner meeting with his conference at 1:00 p.m. i've been told by folks close to boehner that these -- it is by no means a done deal. he is keeping the door open to possibly amending the senate bill. now you think with the 9 votes they wouldn't want to do that, they'd want to put this to bed. but the house republicans have been known to scuttle these typ
number one they don't like the extension of unemployment benefits and think that adds to the deficit. they don't think there are enough spending cuts. they also don't like the extension of the middle class tax cuts that were the president's stimulus package. also some liberals don't like the bill because they feel it gives, takes away their leverage to argue for more taxes in the future in terms of deficit deals and the rest of them would only come by cuts. so what you're going to see is at...
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the aisle would just say we can't deal with that so we have to negotiate a big deal to deal with the deficit and debt. a balanced better deal than that sequester which is across-the-board cuts, heavy cuts for the pentagon. they didn't and that is why we are where we are. now, the scaled back deal is what you are saying the mini deal is what vice president biden is still trying to convince some skeptical liberal democrats in the senate to sign on to? >> absolutely right. they believed in president obama out on the campaign trail saying let's make these people of upper income above $250,000 pay more taxes. they were not happy with the negotiation because the republicans obviously don't want to raise taxes on anybody but if they are going to give the president who won reelection more revenue as part of a balance deal, if you will, they were willing to go up to $450,000 and so the vice president is eceptionly say -- essentially saying to liberal democrats who want to raise taxes on more people this is a good deal and keeps us from going off the fiscal cliff. you need to get onboard with this and
the aisle would just say we can't deal with that so we have to negotiate a big deal to deal with the deficit and debt. a balanced better deal than that sequester which is across-the-board cuts, heavy cuts for the pentagon. they didn't and that is why we are where we are. now, the scaled back deal is what you are saying the mini deal is what vice president biden is still trying to convince some skeptical liberal democrats in the senate to sign on to? >> absolutely right. they believed in...
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, deficit reduction. where do you start with that? what do you think the republican strategy should be? there's been a lot of criticism, as you know. i was thinking about david brooks, who was on "meet the press" over the weekend, and he was saying that the problem with the republicans, frankly sshgs that they have a brain freeze. they have no strategy. is there a strategy? >> absolutely. we work to get a $4 trillion deal, which included a program of tax reform, entitlement reform, and reductions in spending. that didn't happen. we weren't able to get that deal. we got one piece of it, and that is going to help with economic growth because we made these lower tax rates permanent. that's going to help our economy grow, create revenue through growth rather than higher taxes. we have got to do the entitlement reform. we've got to find real savings, and it has to be in that $4 trillion range to reduce the deficit and debt, and i think that also is part of really getting the kind of economic growth we need wit
, deficit reduction. where do you start with that? what do you think the republican strategy should be? there's been a lot of criticism, as you know. i was thinking about david brooks, who was on "meet the press" over the weekend, and he was saying that the problem with the republicans, frankly sshgs that they have a brain freeze. they have no strategy. is there a strategy? >> absolutely. we work to get a $4 trillion deal, which included a program of tax reform, entitlement...
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we have a $16 trillion deficit right now. we have the deficit because of social security, medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps -- all policies put into effect by the democratic party. everything is socialism. thomas jefferson said it best -- the republic is doomed. people sacrifice -- i'm a libertarian. i am more objective. i'm not a republican or democrats. i have to wonder if i want to live in this country. 29% of americans got some kind of assistance when ronald reagan was president. i have to consider and i'm considering moving to a tropical island and watching america go down the drain. we need to abolish social security, medicare, and medicaid. host: i will stop you there. we appreciate your thoughts. joseph says -- will go back to stay but by the president on the passing of norman schwarzkopf. host: "his legacy will e ndure." back to your calls. caller: good morning. god bless us. [indiscernible] where is the love? .e're at a church when the president and everybody was running. the church was all over the program.
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reduce the deficit by 10 or 12%. so it's a question at this point of what sort of hollow, empty meaningless symbolic gesture daus washington want to make and how many group of people do they want on the altar to make that gesture. >> what's so interesting here is that we're talking about the republicans fighting to protect 1.2% of the american public from a tax increase. 98.2% of taxpayers are below the $250,000 threshold so it's kind of amazing in congress, particularly when we're talking about the house, that he's made a pledge around tacks that its willing to allow 98.2% of americans to pay more by going over -- around this curve, it's more of a curve than a cliff. but i think the issue of the deficit is important. i don't think it's a symbolic gesture. one of the things that we've seen is $200 million we've started carving off the deficit. and the question is the time frame of deficit reduction, right? it's how fast, over what time trajectory do we see health? we've been making improvements over the past three ye
reduce the deficit by 10 or 12%. so it's a question at this point of what sort of hollow, empty meaningless symbolic gesture daus washington want to make and how many group of people do they want on the altar to make that gesture. >> what's so interesting here is that we're talking about the republicans fighting to protect 1.2% of the american public from a tax increase. 98.2% of taxpayers are below the $250,000 threshold so it's kind of amazing in congress, particularly when we're...
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this is a good deficit -- solid deficit reduction proposal. my great fear is they will make a deal and simply kick the can down the road and i think that may happen. it would be too bad. the right deal is to really take a big bite out of the deficit. you go back to the clinton tax rates and make some significant cuts and you cut the defense department, which hasn't been cut in 30 years. >> maggie, looks like we will get exactly what the governor just -- i mean assuming they get -- and what was your take listening to schumer and kyl? >> my take was there has not been that much progress. my take on labrador -- >> they sounded so optimistic. because that's where the deal >> well, they did. they both did because that's where the deal is being discussed in the senate. with the discussion with the house members that i found much more contentious and sort of interesting about where we are and that i think is of real concern. i do think that some senate democrats and some liberal members of the house would like to see the cliff gone over. they think t
this is a good deficit -- solid deficit reduction proposal. my great fear is they will make a deal and simply kick the can down the road and i think that may happen. it would be too bad. the right deal is to really take a big bite out of the deficit. you go back to the clinton tax rates and make some significant cuts and you cut the defense department, which hasn't been cut in 30 years. >> maggie, looks like we will get exactly what the governor just -- i mean assuming they get -- and...
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. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone, and you hear that sometimes coming from them, sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending -- [ laughter ] shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's the formula for how we're going to solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. >> i wanted to bring in democratic congressman john larson of connecticut with us from capitol hill. thanks for coming in. >> happy to be here. >> i want to talk spending in a moment but, first, what's your reaction to the parameters of a tax deal, a hike on incomes more than $400,000 for individuals, $450,000 for couples. your tlauts houghts on what we o far. >> we really don't know that much. we haven't seen anything in the house of representatives. i just heard luke russert say, you know, the ink isn't dry on any agreement yet. so while we're hopeful that there is an agreement that can be reached and have been prodding our colleagues to do so, things could implode rather easily, as w
. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone, and you hear that sometimes coming from them, sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending -- [ laughter ] shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's the formula for how we're going to solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. >> i wanted to bring in democratic congressman john larson of connecticut with us...
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won't do anything for the deficit at all. if you raise taxes on anybody at this moment, and we are going to, the economy will suffer. rick: i'm hearing from our colleague chad pergrum who covers capitol hill from us not to expect to hear from the speaker of the house john boehner after we hear from the president at 1:30pm. speaker boehner tried to put plan b of his own on the table and ended up not having the republican support for it, so he pulled back. as business watches these negotiations take place, and we heard from senator thune in mike emanuel's report a minute ago what is the reaction of the business community at this function that is on display in our nation's capitol. >> despair, anger frustration. if you go forward into 2013 not addressing spending, in fact the president wants to raise spending on struc infrastructure you go forward into next year doing that with tax increases on upper income people and some small business owners you will slow the economy down. business does not want a slower economy, it wants a m
won't do anything for the deficit at all. if you raise taxes on anybody at this moment, and we are going to, the economy will suffer. rick: i'm hearing from our colleague chad pergrum who covers capitol hill from us not to expect to hear from the speaker of the house john boehner after we hear from the president at 1:30pm. speaker boehner tried to put plan b of his own on the table and ended up not having the republican support for it, so he pulled back. as business watches these negotiations...
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we are looking at the deficit of this year and looking at deficit of that size as far as the eye can see and not how to put together a minor package as chuck was talking about. this is the larger deal. the problem you have, obviously, not much time so i think you're likely to see a two-step process here. dealing with the immediate dynamics to, in fact, set up a situation to deal with the larger situation. but ultimately, here, the other element to occur is this is a real negotiating process. i have to say i was disappointed in the president when he used this line, when the speaker said to him, hey, i'm giving you $800 billion. what do i zbhet the president's response was nothing. the white house has to come up with -- >> the response of the white house is times is different. 2011 is 2011. doesn't speaker boehner get less out of a smaller deal? >> no, no. i think he wants a larger deal and going back to august of 2011, they were -- they got very close to the large deal. richard, pushing back in terms of a little bit in terms, look, this is a negotiating process. one side can't say you
we are looking at the deficit of this year and looking at deficit of that size as far as the eye can see and not how to put together a minor package as chuck was talking about. this is the larger deal. the problem you have, obviously, not much time so i think you're likely to see a two-step process here. dealing with the immediate dynamics to, in fact, set up a situation to deal with the larger situation. but ultimately, here, the other element to occur is this is a real negotiating process. i...
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that would help the federal government in terms of dealing with the deficit, but nonetheless, it still won't be enough, but it will be a start in that direction. that's the current cutoff, but we don't have that deal yet. absent that deal and as long as the clock keeps ticking, all of this is on the table for all of us. one more thing i should mention, bear in mind this past year, all of us have enjoyed a payroll tax vacation. payroll taxes were reduced across the country to help people deal with this bad economy right now. that's ending. there's no sign that's not going to end. everyone is going to pay a little more anyway. what we're worried about is this extra level on top. that is what many volters are paying attention to and that is the real bear in the woods that has democrats and republicans both worried about these negotiations. >> the clock, as you point out, is ticking, ticking, ticking right now. tom, thank you. >>> what's at stake for the millions of americans already out of a job once the country goes over the fiscal cliff? that and much more when our special coverage cont
that would help the federal government in terms of dealing with the deficit, but nonetheless, it still won't be enough, but it will be a start in that direction. that's the current cutoff, but we don't have that deal yet. absent that deal and as long as the clock keeps ticking, all of this is on the table for all of us. one more thing i should mention, bear in mind this past year, all of us have enjoyed a payroll tax vacation. payroll taxes were reduced across the country to help people deal...
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i think there is a deficit there of very broad-minded leadership, and there is certainly a deficit of trust between the congress and the president, and 20 republican in congress and the democrats. so plenty of fault to go around. >> o'donnell: dee dee, what about that? mitch mcconnell, who is really now at the heart of make something sort of deal today about how far he can take republicans, he says the president called him last week. it was the first time he's talked to the president since november 16. why is-- is there something the president is responsible for that he's not reached out enough to republicans and established that kind of trust that there has been lacking? >> look, i would have liked to have seen the president do more reaching out during the entirety of his first term. keep in mind, the president has been negotiating with john boehner, and that was the agreed upon format. he's been in conserves with him, and when push comes to shove, boehner cannot get these deals done in his caucus. the big change is not in the white house. it's in the culture of congress. it has beco
i think there is a deficit there of very broad-minded leadership, and there is certainly a deficit of trust between the congress and the president, and 20 republican in congress and the democrats. so plenty of fault to go around. >> o'donnell: dee dee, what about that? mitch mcconnell, who is really now at the heart of make something sort of deal today about how far he can take republicans, he says the president called him last week. it was the first time he's talked to the president...
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if they hadn't acted, you might see deficit reduction, but not in a way a lot of taxpayers would like. it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months. a lot of talk about entitlement reform, about making the tax code a little different than it is now. so i think we'll have to see that in the coming year. >> astute observations, we'll watch it closely. i appreciate it. kristina the kick the can tringing game is not over. we'll have to say that many, many times over the next two months. >> i want to bring down some of the deal for you, reset the stage. we'll telling you about the dairy cliff. in addition to dealing with the fiscal cliff, it would extend federal farm policies through september, which means milk prices won't double and it nixes a set pay raise for members of congress. the white house scored an agreement to raise taxes on larger estates from 35% to 40%, but republicans said it should be adjusted annually for inflation, it would go 7.5% for individuals, and they would pay higher tax rates on investment profits and capital gains rising to 20%, and less than
if they hadn't acted, you might see deficit reduction, but not in a way a lot of taxpayers would like. it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months. a lot of talk about entitlement reform, about making the tax code a little different than it is now. so i think we'll have to see that in the coming year. >> astute observations, we'll watch it closely. i appreciate it. kristina the kick the can tringing game is not over. we'll have to say that many, many times over the...
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paul rooip, the big deficit guy, or so he says, he was on the simpson-bowles commission, and he voted against it, as did every other house republican on the commission. the white house saw no reason to embrace something that raised taxes so sky high and so the white house brought out something that was frankly to the right of simpson-bowles. their budget was to its right and they thought it had a better chance of passing. they thought it was a compromise. but the house republicans did not respond the same way. when they brought out the ryan budget, which was their budget alternative, they didn't compromise. they went way to the right. there was no xriemz compromise t all. that is fact number one. number two, in 2010 republicans won the midterm election. 2011 the white house agreed to a deal that was all spending tucu. it is the budget control act. it cuts spending by $1.8 trillion over the next decade. except for an increase in pell grants, the bill is all cuts, no taxes. and democrats agree to that. they agreed. that is fact number two. fact number three. at this point even after win
paul rooip, the big deficit guy, or so he says, he was on the simpson-bowles commission, and he voted against it, as did every other house republican on the commission. the white house saw no reason to embrace something that raised taxes so sky high and so the white house brought out something that was frankly to the right of simpson-bowles. their budget was to its right and they thought it had a better chance of passing. they thought it was a compromise. but the house republicans did not...
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this is not a deficit reduction deal that will stabilize the debt to gdp ratio and that has to be -- that has to be one of the goals of a broader deal that now we're probably going to be looking for on the other side of the cliff. >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't seem to be any part of the president's goal. jared, good to see you always. jimmy, you, too. we'll get you guys back in just a few minutes. we'll get you to the roundtable if you haven't had enough yet. what will it mean for banks? new analysis shows that the expiration ever tax cuts will improve bank savings in 2013, by, listen to this, 54%. in other words, people will need to pull their cash savings out to pay for higher taxes. here now is dan geller, executive vice president of market rates insight. dan, good to have you here. walk me through this math. you're saying the average american is going to put 54% less into savings this year because if we go over the fiscal cliff? explain. >> yeah. let's go back, michelle because the amount of taxation on an average household is effort mated at $2600, and right now the average
this is not a deficit reduction deal that will stabilize the debt to gdp ratio and that has to be -- that has to be one of the goals of a broader deal that now we're probably going to be looking for on the other side of the cliff. >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't seem to be any part of the president's goal. jared, good to see you always. jimmy, you, too. we'll get you guys back in just a few minutes. we'll get you to the roundtable if you haven't had enough yet. what will it mean for...
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that it is not just going to be spending cuts in the days ahead when they have broader fights about deficit reduction in two months and beyond but also going to be about more tax increases in the days ahead and he said that that will be the approach as long as i'm president and i'm going to be president for another four years and there was loud applause from the audience there which is why republicans said it was essentially a campaign rally. they teed off on the president and said basically he was rubbing their nose in their defeat. take a listen. >>> time to stop the campaigning. the president won. we all know that. he won fair and square. but isn't it now time to govern? >> the president was absolutely out of line with his comments at 1:30 this afternoon. this is a delicate time in the negotiations. >> republicans suggesting there in this delicate time of negotiations the president may have turned off some republicans. we will see again whether or not senate republicans rank and file go along with their leader. it is a big deal that mitch mcconnell is expected to be voting for in. will h
that it is not just going to be spending cuts in the days ahead when they have broader fights about deficit reduction in two months and beyond but also going to be about more tax increases in the days ahead and he said that that will be the approach as long as i'm president and i'm going to be president for another four years and there was loud applause from the audience there which is why republicans said it was essentially a campaign rally. they teed off on the president and said basically he...
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we need cuts and deal with the deficit. you have can't do this in a way to do in a sudden flash. >> juan -- >> juan: hold on. excuse me. do you think republicans have no complicity in passing two wars without funding them? and passing prescription drugs, no funding -- >> andrea: last time i checked a majority of democrats voted if for war. >> juan: republicans voted for this as well is all my point. >> andrea: entitlement, they're not miles apart? >> juan: they're not. >> andrea: what is the plan. >> juan: put on the table change the cpi and change the rate of growth. >> what table? >> eric: slow the rate of growth is not a cut. >> juan: it is. >> eric: it's not. >> juan: even boehner says it's a cut. the left thinks it's a cut. secondly, the president has -- go up to 400 if you want. so what we are talking about is a cut for 99% of americans. they keep tax cuts. you think republicans would celebrate. >> drinking the kool-aid. >> eric: i agree with you that the republicans are no better in this debate. >> juan: oh, well the
we need cuts and deal with the deficit. you have can't do this in a way to do in a sudden flash. >> juan -- >> juan: hold on. excuse me. do you think republicans have no complicity in passing two wars without funding them? and passing prescription drugs, no funding -- >> andrea: last time i checked a majority of democrats voted if for war. >> juan: republicans voted for this as well is all my point. >> andrea: entitlement, they're not miles apart? >> juan:...
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we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over for a month we can sort of trick everything else. we can -- the irs can do some tricks to make it so you don't feel tax increases quickly. we can do tricks to make it so we don't lay off people at pentagon, we can furlough them. there's no trick with unemployment insurance. if we go over the cliff and don't do anything by unemployment insurance, 2 million people, hardest hit by the recession, will lose their unemployment insurance. that's number one. we're going to have the payroll tax cut expire, that's probably going to happen if we do rea
we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over...